Ten years ago I was playing basketball. The other guy on the court was a carpet layer and needed some help. I got paid $8 per hour. I used to do my own thing, got in the union, dropped out. I learned my lesson and got back in. What’s there to tell. You do the same work, but with the union you get benefits and 40 hours a week. Before I was always looking for work. I could go 3 or 4 days and not find anything. I had to pay my own health care and everything else. Now, with four kids, I just couldn’t make it if I had to pay out of my pocket. And it’s not just money; there are more guys on the job to help you out. And they are real good guys who take pride in their work. It’s pretty neat. I love doing floors. At the end of the day, you can stand back and see what you’ve done.